Можно ли как нибудь оставить старый пасспорт (где есть виза)??

[shaddow]

Кто нибудь знает вообще можно ли как нибудь оставить при обмене старый пасспорт ввиду наличуя в нём текущих виз иностранных государств. Или хотя-бы оставить те листы где визы?

Интересно узнать в свете намерения РУз менятъ пасспорта на биометрические (с января 2011).

[uzbekcha]

Sorry I have bad Russian

So, I had the same situation before. I came back with my visa (Asian visa) to Uzbekistan and changed my passport, I mean renewed. But I asked the visa pages, they gave me the torn pages to me, because I was going to get another European visa (schengen). But OVIR visa is required if it is still has valid date in order to change. You don have to repeat process of OVIR visa if you want OVIR visa. And if you have any visa (except OVIR) and it is up to the Embassy, actually all embassies dosen require the whole visa process, just go to Embassy and orally or explain in written way about your passport renew. But you should remember, before changing passport, advice to Embassy.

Biometric passport is not a piece of cake. It is not cheap. From 2011 only government officers will change and other important organizations' members. The period to convert is up to 2015, that means only by 2013 the citizens ought to change. (I think so)

[shaddow]

that is what i wanted to know, i.e. whether i can tear the page with valid and existing foreign (not OVIR) visa befor handing my uzbek passport for renewal.
Another question, when you were travelling with torn visa page, did you have any problems with uzbek passport control?
many thanks.

[ежик в тумане]

that is what i wanted to know, i.e. whether i can tear the page with valid and existing foreign (not OVIR) visa befor handing my uzbek passport for renewal.
Another question, when you were travelling with torn visa page, did you have any problems with uzbek passport control?
many thanks.

no, hold on your horses, and do not tear off those pages by yourself. once you give your visa for renewal, you can ask the people and they can do it for you. but you should not do it yourself.

now there is another misunderstanding here, you seem to be under impression that if you have those pages from your old passport -- you can have a valid visa. NO. people in Uzbekistan, keep those bloody pages with visas from their old passports for only one reason: so that when they get their visas renewed those pages can serve as an EVIDENCE, that they had a visa before. That is the only reason why people would like to keep those pages. Once your old passport is renewed, even if you have the visa pages --- they are nothing but trash, and a good old memory that you had a visa stamp on your passport from some "big, scary, absolutely tough to get in" country of the world.

so if you are not a sentimental guy and can get a visa anytime to anywhere you'd like to, you can ditch your passport without tearing the pages off. cause those visas won't really do anything. here is an example, when my passport got expired, my american visa was valid for another 2 years. did anything happen? no, i had to pay $100, have an interview and get a new visa (even though i had my old visa, as a person who helped to renew my passport offered to tear that page off :D).

[rosefire]

no, hold on your horses, and do not tear off those pages by yourself. once you give your visa for renewal, you can ask the people and they can do it for you. but you should not do it yourself.

now there is another misunderstanding here, you seem to be under impression that if you have those pages from your old passport -- you can have a valid visa. NO. people in Uzbekistan, keep those bloody pages with visas from their old passports for only one reason: so that when they get their visas renewed those pages can serve as an EVIDENCE, that they had a visa before. That is the only reason why people would like to keep those pages. Once your old passport is renewed, even if you have the visa pages --- they are nothing but trash, and a good old memory that you had a visa stamp on your passport from some "big, scary, absolutely tough to get in" country of the world.

so if you are not a sentimental guy and can get a visa anytime to anywhere you'd like to, you can ditch your passport without tearing the pages off. cause those visas won't really do anything. here is an example, when my passport got expired, my american visa was valid for another 2 years. did anything happen? no, i had to pay $100, have an interview and get a new visa (even though i had my old visa, as a person who helped to renew my passport offered to tear that page off :D).

menga ham shunday info berishdi. US consulatega tel qilgndim yaqinda. passportimni yangilasam US valid visamni ko'chirib berishmaskan, o'shani copysi bilan yangi passportni jonatsam US consulate kochirib beraveradimi desam, u have to apply for new visa and your application will be viewed as a totally new application and u have to provide all the supporting docs to be qualified for a new visa deyishdi.

but the copy of your valid visa page can be used as a support doc or an evidence in order to obtain the new one

[Odildustov]

notarius nima qip utiribdi silaga yordam bermasa? passportni bersela kopiyasini zaverit qilib beradi. ushani olib borib elchihonaga topshirovrasila.

eski pasportni olib qolish faqat uzimizda bor shekilli, boshqa mamlakatlada eskisini teshib, void qilib qaytarib beradi.

[shaddow]

of course i was not going to tear it off myself. in my case country of destination will not care whether the visa is on torn page, as long as it has valid dates this is fine with them, so i will not have to get new visa. all i was worried was: 1)whether uzbek authorities would tear that page off for me and 2) when i am departing from tashkent, with new passport+torn page with valid overseas visa, whether uzbek passport control create any issues with that. you know those guys check whether you have a valid visa to the country where you are going and (somtimes interview you on your purpose etc.).

[ежик в тумане]

of course i was not going to tear it off myself. in my case country of destination will not care whether the visa is on torn page, as long as it has valid dates this is fine with them, so i will not have to get new visa. all i was worried was: 1)whether uzbek authorities would tear that page off for me and 2) when i am departing from tashkent, with new passport+torn page with valid overseas visa, whether uzbek passport control create any issues with that. you know those guys check whether you have a valid visa to the country where you are going and (somtimes iit snterview you on your purpose etc.).

about your second point, please read above. both roserfire and i, based on our own experience, said that even if you have a that page from your old passport, it won't be valid to leave the country. you have to obtain a new one.

[rosefire]

of course i was not going to tear it off myself. in my case country of destination will not care whether the visa is on torn page, as long as it has valid dates this is fine with them, so i will not have to get new visa. all i was worried was: 1)whether uzbek authorities would tear that page off for me and 2) when i am departing from tashkent, with new passport+torn page with valid overseas visa, whether uzbek passport control create any issues with that. you know those guys check whether you have a valid visa to the country where you are going and (somtimes interview you on your purpose etc.).
if the country of destination doesn't care if the page was torn or not, I would contact the uzbek passport control office and get info from them if possible.

in my case, I didn't ask if I could travel with new passport+a separate torn valid visa page. (I didn't know if I could keep the torn page) I just asked what would be my options and the rep in the US embassy office, told me that I could travel with new passport without visa+old passport with valid visa on it. When I mentioned that uzbek passport office doesn't let me keep my old passport, and then he said, u should apply again then in that case. I will also be flying back to US 12 days before my visa expiration date. according to them, I should be able to come in without any problems, but not being able to keep the old passport which has a valid visa, might require reapplying for new visa again from scratch:(

if u do find out if it is ok to do so (coming back with new pass+torn visa page), pls do let me know.

[Inspiration]

notarius nima qip utiribdi silaga yordam bermasa? passportni bersela kopiyasini zaverit qilib beradi. ushani olib borib elchihonaga topshirovrasila.

eski pasportni olib qolish faqat uzimizda bor shekilli, boshqa mamlakatlada eskisini teshib, void qilib qaytarib beradi.

passport qonuniy hujjat hisoblangani uchun, uning kopiyasini O'zbekistondagi hech qaysi Notarial Idora zaveryat qilmiydi, bu fakt.

shaddow, yesli u ti menyaesh pasport, to ti smojesh poprosit ih chtobi tebe virvali stranichki s vizami. no oni pochti nikakoy sili ne imeyut (osobenno yesli ti letish v EU/US. s pomosh'yu ih, ti smojesh popitatsya chtobi oni pereveli tvoyu vizu na noviy pasport.

kogda budesh viletat, u tebya ne budet problem s virvannoy stranicoy vizi so starogo pasporta, yesli ti letish v OAE. no v yevropu ili v US mogut bit problemi, mogut ne vipustit... i bol'shaya veroyatnost chto tebya daje i ne pustyat v EU ili je US s virvannimi stranicami viz so starogo pasporta.

[shaddow]

passport qonuniy hujjat hisoblangani uchun, uning kopiyasini O'zbekistondagi hech qaysi Notarial Idora zaveryat qilmiydi, bu fakt.

shaddow, yesli u ti menyaesh pasport, to ti smojesh poprosit ih chtobi tebe virvali stranichki s vizami. no oni pochti nikakoy sili ne imeyut (osobenno yesli ti letish v EU/US. s pomosh'yu ih, ti smojesh popitatsya chtobi oni pereveli tvoyu vizu na noviy pasport.

kogda budesh viletat, u tebya ne budet problem s virvannoy stranicoy vizi so starogo pasporta, yesli ti letish v OAE. no v yevropu ili v US mogut bit problemi, mogut ne vipustit... i bol'shaya veroyatnost chto tebya daje i ne pustyat v EU ili je US s virvannimi stranicami viz so starogo pasporta.

Vachach, spasibo za comment. V moyom sluchae eto Britanskaya visa. Ya uveren chto Britaniya menya vpustit s novym passportom + vyrvanny listok s vizoy. Slyshal chto uzhe byl takoy precendent. Hotelos by poetomu pobolshe yasnosti s pozitiey uzbekskoy storony po etomu voprosu.

[Inspiration]

Vachach, spasibo za comment. V moyom sluchae eto Britanskaya visa. Ya uveren chto Britaniya menya vpustit s novym passportom + vyrvanny listok s vizoy. Slyshal chto uzhe byl takoy precendent. Hotelos by poetomu pobolshe yasnosti s pozitiey uzbekskoy storony po etomu voprosu.

u menya lichno bil sluchay s emiratovskoy vizoy. check it out, maybe some of the tips help with ur case.

http://www.arbuz.com/showthread.php?t=52253&page=1

[begonabahor]

Mening pasportim muddati tugaganida yangi pasportimni olganida eski pasportimni ham qaytarib berishlarini so'radik,(valid vizalar bor edi) oldin "yoq" deyishdi, keyin chetini kesib tashlab void qilib berishdi. Hozir ham uzimda turibdi.

[shaddow]

Mening pasportim muddati tugaganida yangi pasportimni olganida eski pasportimni ham qaytarib berishlarini so'radik,(valid vizalar bor edi) oldin "yoq" deyishdi, keyin chetini kesib tashlab void qilib berishdi. Hozir ham uzimda turibdi.

rahmat. demak eski passportni qoldirish ilojisini ham tpsa bolar ekanda!!!

[rosefire]

Mening pasportim muddati tugaganida yangi pasportimni olganida eski pasportimni ham qaytarib berishlarini so'radik,(valid vizalar bor edi) oldin "yoq" deyishdi, keyin chetini kesib tashlab void qilib berishdi. Hozir ham uzimda turibdi.
shu bilan travel qildizmi keyin?

menda ham shu dilemma, menimcha eski passportni siz aytganday qilib olib qolsam boladi. US embassy 2 ta passport bilan travel qilsang boladi degandi (old one+valid visa and new pass with no visa). lekin uzbek customs problema yasamasmikin Toshkentdan samolyotga chiqayotganizda? tajriba bolsa o'rtoqlashing pls

[begonabahor]

viza still valid degan qog'oz bergandi manimcha yelchixonadan. (2-3 marta suqiriti la bilan tortishib arang kirgandim)

Aeroportda yangi pasaportni kursatganimda "vizasi qani orto" deyishgandi. Eski pasaportni olib kursatganimda birbalolar deb bijrrr bijirr qilib keyin snb sining oldiga kirib kegandi. Ular ham bijirrr bijirrr qilib uzlaricha meniyam bijirrr bijirrr qilidirishdi(nimaga ketvassan chet elga, qatta turasan, nima ish qilasan, deb) men ham bijirrr bijirr qiganimdan keyin bor devarishgandi. Bunga kup yildan oshib ketdi.

uveren bumasangiz aeraparttan surap kuring.

Eng yaxshi yuli esa Uzbekistanning chet eldagi echkixonasi pasapartingizni hozir almashtirib beradi. Oldin echkixona "biza qilomimiza" derdi.

shu bilan travel qildizmi keyin?

menda ham shu dilemma, menimcha eski passportni siz aytganday qilib olib qolsam boladi. US embassy 2 ta passport bilan travel qilsang boladi degandi (old one+valid visa and new pass with no visa). lekin uzbek customs problema yasamasmikin Toshkentdan samolyotga chiqayotganizda? tajriba bolsa o'rtoqlashing pls

[rosefire]

viza still valid degan qog'oz bergandi manimcha yelchixonadan. (2-3 marta suqiriti la bilan tortishib arang kirgandim)

Aeroportda yangi pasaportni kursatganimda "vizasi qani orto" deyishgandi. Eski pasaportni olib kursatganimda birbalolar deb bijrrr bijirr qilib keyin snb sining oldiga kirib kegandi. Ular ham bijirrr bijirrr qilib uzlaricha meniyam bijirrr bijirrr qilidirishdi(nimaga ketvassan chet elga, qatta turasan, nima ish qilasan, deb) men ham bijirrr bijirr qiganimdan keyin bor devarishgandi. Bunga kup yildan oshib ketdi.

uveren bumasangiz aeraparttan surap kuring.

Eng yaxshi yuli esa Uzbekistanning chet eldagi echkixonasi pasapartingizni hozir almashtirib beradi. Oldin echkixona "biza qilomimiza" derdi.
shevangiz ja ajoyib ekan, zo'rg'a tushunvoldim )))
rahmat, demak bosh og'riq ekanda, undan sekin kirib yangi visa qoydirib chiqa qolganim yahshi ekan

mayli hammaga omad, salomat bolilar